Monday, 21 January 2013

Irish Soldiers WW1

The following is a write up of some info I put on the boards.ie WW1 forum re looking for information about Irish soldiers in the British Army in WW1. This is an evolving entry.

Last update : 5th June 2020


Soldiers who died or were killed

A soldier who died during the period 1914-1921 should have an entry in the Commonwealth War Graves Commission (CWGC) database, an entry in Soldiers Died in the Great War (SDGW), Ireland's Memorial Records (IMR) if an Irish soldier (or in an Irish Regiment or of Irish parents), or De Ruvigny's database/book. 

Some soldiers have been omitted from the CWGC list and there is a project to bring these soldiers In From the Cold.


A soldier should also have a medal index card (MIC) if he served in a theatre of war. A Medal Index Card outlines the medals a soldier was awarded. The UK National Archives website has a good explaination of the Medal Index Cards and the WW1 Campaign Medals and awards.


A soldier should have a service record but most of these were destroyed in the bombing of London in World War 2. You may hear of some of the surviving records referred to as "the burnt records" - many pages show fire and water damage.


A good online resource is the wills of approximately 9000 Irish soldiers. These are free to view. The UK Government has a similar site for WW1 soldiers wills but charges for access should you find a match for the soldier you are seeking.


Some Irish soldiers may have signed the Ulster Covenant and you may find a copy of their signature on the Ulster Covenant database.


You may find an entry on Irish War Memorials website or www.Findagrave.com.


A soldier who didn't serve in a theatre of war but was killed during the Easter Rising, for example, or died from disease or as a result of an accident in England/Scotland/Wales/Ireland won't have a medal index card (MIC) but should have an entry on CWGC.


In general, there is often more data available about a soldier who died than there is about a soldier who survived.




Members of the Irish Association of Volunteer Training Corps

Members of the Irish Association of Volunteer Training Corps (IAVTC) who were killed during the Easter Rising do appear in Ireland Memorial Records (IMR) but because they were not members of the armed forces, they do not appear in SDGW nor do they have an entry on the CWGC database or a CWGC grave. They do not have a medal index card. The IAVTC men killed were not British Army reservists nor were they members of the Ulster Volunteer Force affiliated Loyal Dublin Volunteers.


Soldiers wounded and discharged

A soldier wounded and discharged should have a medal index card (MIC), may have a service record, possibly a Silver War Badge (SWB) entry and possibly a pension record.

The US based site fold3.com is a subscription service that has digitized some of the British Army post WW1 pension cards. It often has free access offers that are useful for giving the service a try before deciding to buy. From my own family tree, this was very useful for finding the American Civil War pension of my Gt Gt Grandfather Hugh Niland).



Soldiers who served in a War Theatre and Survived

A soldier who served in a theatre of war and survived should have a medal index card (MIC) and may have a service record. 



Soldiers who didn't serve in a War Theatre and Survived

A soldier who didn't serve overseas and survived may have a service record but won't have a medal index card (MIC). 



Irish Guards

The service records of soldiers who served in the Irish Guards are still held by the regiment and can be obtained by writing to them at :

Records Officer

RHQ Irish Guards
Wellington Barracks
Birdcage Walk
London
SW1E 6HQ

Other Guards regiments (Scots. Welsh, Grenadier, Coldstream) also have their records stored and available at the above address - just change the regiment name after RHQ.




Other Family Members in the Armed Forces

In some instances, if the soldier had a brother who served, you may find the brother has a service or pension record that mentions the soldier you're looking for.



War Diaries

Each battalion was required to keep a war diary but ordinary soldiers rarely get a mention by name. 


London Gazette
Soldiers awarded medals for bravery can be found in the London Gazette database. This can be a challenge to use at times.



Other Sources

Other sources can be a bit hit and miss. Local newspapers carry some info about enlistment, being sent to the front, being wounded, on home leave or killed/missing/taken prisoner.



Rolls of Honour

Some employers, schools and colleges have produced lists of people who served as well as those who died e.g Guinness, Trinity College, Bank of Ireland. In some cases, researchers such as Tom Burnell have produced books (Wexford War Dead, Waterford War Dead, Carlow War Dead etc) which have gathered together CWGC, SDGW, IMR and newspaper data. The Dublin City archive at Pearse Street has a roll of honour for those from Dublin who died. There is a also an officers Roll of Honour at Pearse Street and records from the Royal Dublin Fusiliers Association.



Moving between battalions and regiments
It's not uncommon to find soldiers moving between battalions within a regiment or from one regiment to another. In some instances this would involve moving from a training battalion to a front line battalion within the same regiment or to another regiment if it had suffered large casualties.

Later in the war, some battalions who suffered casualties were disbanded and their remaining men were sent to other battalions/regiments. In some instances men were compulsorily transferred to meet the needs of the army e.g. cavalrymen weren't needed and could be transferred en masse or it might be that a man had a civilian skill that might be better used elsewhere e.g. a driver to the Army Service Corps, a miner to a Tunnelling Company etc. Without the service record for your man it would be hard to say why he has moved between regiments.


A soldier's number was issued by his regiment (or battalion). If he moved to another regiment he would be issued a new number.



Disbanded Irish Regiments 1922
Some soldiers who served in WW1 stayed on after the war in the Irish regiments that were to find themselves disbanded in 1922. The National Army Museum has a searchable database of the names and numbers of soldiers serving at the point of the disbandment of these regiments  e.g. members of the Connaught Rangers involved in the Mutiny in India

James Daly
John Miranda
Joseph Woods

https://www.nam.ac.uk/soldiers-records/persons



Bureau of Military History Witness Statements
A number of soldiers completed Witness Statements (WS) for the Irish Bureau of Military History (BMH) or are mentioned by members of the old IRA. Always worth a search but it would be a long shot.



Sources of Advice
Great War Forum

Boards.ie WW1 sub forum


Dublin Western Front Association




My Soldiers and Sailors
Sapper John Henry Elvin Shepley from Wheelock, Royal Engineers (died 1943 of wounds received November 1918) 
Private James Shepley from Wheelock, Grenadier Guards (DoW 1915)
Private Joseph Clarke from Macclesfield, 15th Battalion Cheshire Regiment (Bantams) (KIA October 1918)
Private James Wildblood, 6th Battalion Royal Fusiliers (Died 1917)
Lance Corporal Roy Cooke from Sandbach, Grenadier Guards (KIA Italy 1944). 
Chief Gunner John David Sumner, HMTB 96, died 1st November 1915. From Portaferry, Co Down.
Sapper Joseph Niland from Dublin, 179th Tunnelling Company, Royal Engineers (KIA March 1917). 
Private George Sweeney from Dublin, Royal Munster Fusiliers (KIA 1917). 
Michael (Mickey) Sweeney from Dublin, 4th ASU Dublin Brigade, fought in the Easter Rising and Irish War of Independence; killed April 1922.
William Patrick O'Brien, Queenstown Company, Irish Volunteers, died November 1916 after release from Frongoch (Sigerson Cup winner with UCC 1911)

KIA = Killed in Action

DoW = Died of Wounds



I have a basic document created re Joseph Niland and his service online at :

Sapper Joseph Niland

Also fought/served :

Fred Shepley, Wheelock, Royal Flying Corps
Harold Shepley, Wheelock, Cheshire Regiment
Grace Shepley, Sandbach, Voluntary Aid Detachment, Egypt
John Newton, Wheelock, Cheshire Regiment
James Alexander McCullen, Portaferry, Merchant Marine 
Charles Skilbeck Smith, Salop, RNAS 
Richard Skilbeck Smith MC, Salop, Middlesex Regiment and Indian Army 
Abram Jones, St Asaph, Welsh Guards
Thomas Williams, St Asaph, Royal Engineers


Irish War of Independence
John Joe O'Brien, Irish Volunteers, Galbally Company, IRB, IRA, Free State Army

Ned O'Brien, Irish Volunteers, Galbally Company, IRB, IRA, Free State Army


WW2
Josef Ciupak, Free Polish Army
Cyril Humphrey, Crewe, Royal Air Force
Ida Humphrey/Shepley, ENSA


Others
John Doyle, Enniscorthy. Free State Army, 1930s
Daniel Doyle, Dublin, Royal Air Force 1950-1979
xxxxxxx xxxxxxx, Dublin,  Special Air Service
Ben Oliver, Macclesfield, Royal Marines



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1 comment:

  1. As part of the Hollingsworth family, we are so happy our uncle Danny's official grave has been recognised after many years of my father and grandmothers search to no avail ,we feel overwhelmed that trouble has been taken after all these years to put these sad pieces of history together.many many thanks to all the people who brought this true story to light

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