Policing Exhibition in Clonmel, Tipperary

 A hat tip to Dr John Reynolds for information about an exhibition being hosted at the Tipperary Museum of Hidden History, through to March 2027.

"Order from Chaos - The Policing History of Tipperary and Ireland" looks at 200 years of policing from the days of Robert Peel's force through to the Royal Irish Constabulary, and on to the modern Garda.

https://tipperary.com/event/order-from-chaos-the-policing-history-of-tipperary-and-ireland/

Tipperary Museum of Hidden History
Mick Delahunty Square
Clonmel
Co. Tipperary
Ireland
E91 Y891

Malaya Ireland Waterloo Libya

One of the small names that appeared in one of the modules in this years course was a reference to an Irish man in the police force in Malaya during the post war rebellion. Just a very small reference with no real detail.

A quick delve into the limited records available found the policeman, Richard Craig, and he has an audio interview on the Imperial War Museum site.

Interview with Richard Joseph Wauchope Craig

It turned out that his brother, Henry Craig, was closer to some of my interests having  been involved in writing the scripts for some of my favourite films  - Waterloo, Anzio and the lesser seen Lion of the Desert.

Henry Craig has a fairly good write up in the Dictionary of Irish Biography, following a very different life style to his brother.

The brothers were the grandsons of a Royal Irish Constabulary constable, Henry Armitage Llwellyn (1850-1911), from what was Queen's County, now County Laois.

Haig's Rolls-Royce staff car in Ireland

 In the following picture, Field Marshall Haig and a few others can be seen near his staff car, registration LB 5057.

The Rolls-Royce Enthusiast's Club book on the early Rolls-Royce cars has an entry for the car

confirming it as Haig's, giving its chassis number as 3RD and its War Office registration M18045. It also notes it went to Dublin in 1921. No idea who used it in Dublin. The car used by Lord French when he was ambushed has a different registration number.

A list of cars transferred to the new government in the 6 counties, lists an "armoured car" registration LB 5057.  Not sure if Haig's car was actually armoured (I think it's lazy typing in the transfer list) but it's definitely not one of the 1914/1920 Pattern armoured cars. While I have some information about the 6 x 1920 Pattern Rolls-Royce armoured cars that eventually ended up with the Royal Ulster Constabulary, there is currently no lead about what happened to Haig's car.

If anyone has any leads about its use anywhere in Ireland, suggestions to follow up, please let me know in the comments.

Armoured Car Ambush - Phibsboro, Dublin 14th October 1920

Lurking in the files in the archive at The Tank Museum at Bovington, England, are the records of No 5 Armoured Car Company (ACC). This had been 17th (Armoured Car) Battalion, Tank Corps previously but with post war demobilization and reorganisation it became a company instead of a battalion. It remained based at Marlborough (now McKee) Barracks in Dublin, with some sections dotted around Ireland.

There are a number of interesting items re numbers and types of vehicles, the units involvement at Belleek and Pettigo etc.

One item that caught my attention was a report regarding an attack on one of the armoured cars while it was collecting soldiers pay from a bank in the Phibsborough area of Dublin. Written by the Second in Command, Major Vyvyan Pope, it outlined the events of the ambush, the actions of the crew and the attackers, and the shooting of one of the attackers. The report was dated 14th October 1922, ie after the Truce and before the December 1922 departure of No 5 ACC to Belfast. 

However, the general write up of the units activities made it look like the event was on 14th October 1920, the same day that Sean Treacy was killed in Dublin in an action that involved an Austin armoured car but this wasn't in Phibsborough (the diary of No 5 ACC makes no mention of the action involving Sean Treacy).

It appears that the ambush that Pope's report relates to was in 1920 so the date on his report is a typing error. The Rolls-Royce armoured cars were not delivered to No 5 ACC until January 1921 onwards and Pope's car was likely an Austin armoured car.

The ambush gets a mention in Ronald Lewin's "Man of Armour" book about the life and career of Pope, as well as two publications looking at casualties in Ireland during the War of Independence.

The Irish Volunteer killed in the ambush was William (aka Liam) O'Connell of D Company,1st Battalion, Dublin Brigade. 

His family house in Co Cork appears to have been used during the kidnap and detention of General Lucas.

O'Connell was buried in the family plot at Glantane, Co Cork. A century later, a plaque to William O'Connell was unveiled in October 2020.

Pope identified Pte Scatchard (1898-1979), a chauffeur in civilian life, as the soldier who shot O'Connell.

After the incident, Pope was sent to England on leave for a sort while before he returned to Ireland and took charge of the armoured cars of No 5 ACC that operated in Munster. The photographs of General Peter Strickland, General in Charge of British troops in Munster and over to Wexford, hosted by the Imperial War Museum contain a number of Rolls-Royce armoured cars and these are probably from the section commanded by Pope.  As Pope had only one arm, it should be easy to see if he appears in any of the photographs but I've not spotted any yet.

Pope served through the interwar period and on to France in 1940. He was killed in an air crash in October 1941 while taking charge of XXX Corps in the Western Desert.

Leonard Horace Charles Hatton (1888-1980)

 

Mentioned alongside Arthur John Bather in Egypt and aid to the Long Range Desert Group is Leonard Horace Charles Hatton.

He entered the Great War as a Sergeant in the 20th Hussars. Commissioned shortly afterwards, he served through the war and survived earning a Military Cross in 1918.

In 1921 he was in Constantinople. It's not clear when he got to Egypt first but in 1926 he is awarded the Order of the Nile while commanding the Egyptian Frontiers Administration Camel Corps and Car Patrol.

Egyptian Frontiers Administration officer Major David Johnston Wallace (ex-Royal Scots Fusiliers) wrote up a short report about the organization and work of the Camel Corps and Car Patrol :

Hatton gets a very brief mention in Major Dun's book about the 12th Lancers Expedition to Siwa oasis.

In 1937, the Car Patrol appears to have been using Ford Cars and have had at least one unit with Vickers Machine Guns accoding to the British Military Report on Egypt

 Hatton's OBE in 1941 does not appear directly related to the frontline war.

Born 11^th April 1888, Kensington London,

Father William (1844-1893), mother Hannah Ross (1848-1904)

Died 7^th November 1980 The Spinney Woodside Morley Derbyshire

 

1911 Census

20^th Hussars, Lance Sergeant.

20^th Hussars

Sergeant, number 5277

Entered France 16^th Aug 1914. Clasp and Rose for 1914 Star.

 

LONDON GAZETTE 23 October 1914

War Office, 23rd October, 1914.

REGULAR FORCES.

The undermentioned to be Second Lieutenants for service in the Field: —

Dated 16th September, 1914.  

20th Hussars, Squadron Serjeant-Major Ernest Frederick Wyborn.

Serjeant Leonard Hatton.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28949/page/8515

 

LONDON GAZETTE 08 December 1914

War Office, 9th December, 1914. Revised and corrected list of names appended to Sir John French's Despatch, dated 8th October, 1914 (including those published for the first time in the London Gazette, dated 4th December, 1914).

No. 5277 Serjeant L. Hatton

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29001/supplement/10538

 

Marriage

October 1915 to Ella Lucy Margaret Gosling.

 

LONDON GAZETTE 16 July 1918

Military Cross

Lt. (A./Capt.) Leonard Horace Charles Hatton, Hrs. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He displayed great gallantry in searching a village still containing several hostile machine guns and snipers who were causing losses. He performed this difficult and dangerous task with great coolness and showed a fine example of courage.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30801/supplement/8462

 

1921 Census

20^th Hussars, Constantinople

 

LONDON GAZETTE 30 April 1926

Whitehall, April 28, 1926.

The KING has. been pleased to give and grant unto Leonard Horace Charles Hatton, Esq., M.C., Camel Corps and Car Patrols, Frontiers Administration, War Office, Cairo, His Majesty's Royal licence and authority to wear the Insignia of the Fourth Class of the Order of the Nile, which Decoration has been conferred upon him by His Majesty the King of Egypt, in recognition of valuable services rendered by him.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33156/page/2930

 

LONDON GAZETTE 5 April 1929

15^th/19^th H.—Capt. L. H. C. Hatton, M.C., retires on ret. pay, 6th Apr. 1929, and is granted the rank of Maj.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33483/page/2280/data.pdf

 

LONDON GAZETTE 01 June 1934

OBE

Major Leonard Horace Charles Hatton, M.C., retired pay, Reserve of Officers, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars, attached Egyptian Army, Officer Commanding, Camel Corps and Car Patrols, Frontiers Administration.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34056/page/3562

 

LONDON GAZETTE 8 FEBRUARY, 1938

ORDER OF THE NILE.

Insignia of Commander.

Major Leonard Horace Charles Hatton, O.B.E., M.C.

Robert Augustin Gardner, Esq., B.Sc., M.B., Ch.M.

Arnold Kirkpatrick Henry, Esq., M.B., M.Ch., F.R.C.S.I.

Jasper Wyndham Macaldin, Esq.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34480/page/809/data.pdf

 

Who’s  Who Le Mondain Egypt 1941

BRITISH  MILITARY  MISSION  TO  THE  EGYPTIAN  ARMY

Frontier  Force

Col.  R.H.C.  Hatton,  O.B.E.,  M.C. ;

Lt.  Col.  A.J. Bather,  R.T.C.

 

BATHER,  Major  A.J.,  R.T.C.,  attache,  British

Military  Mission  to  the  Egyptian  Army,  7,  rue

Amir  Fouad,  Zamalek,  [II]  56765,  Caire.

https://archive.org/stream/TheEgyptianWhosWho1941/LeMondainEgyptien1941.PartI_djvu.txt

Arthur John Bather

Lurking in the texts of a number of books relating to Ralph Bagnold and the Long Range Desert Group (LRDG) is A J Bather (aka Bather Bay or "Tom" Bather) but rarely does he make it to indexes of the books or get a mention by his full name.

One of the last class of WW1 Sandhurst graduates, Arthur John Bather was gazetted a 2nd Lieutenantt with the Hampshire Regiment on the 20th December 1918. He later transferred to the Tanks Corps and would be in Sollum, Egypt with 3rd Armoured Car Company in 1921. This unit was using 1914 Pattern Rolls-Royce armoured cars inherited from the Duke of Westminster's Squadron.

Bather introduced Lt Victor Christian Holland, Royal Signals Corps, to desert exploration by car. Holland in turn introduced Ralph Bagnold. Holland is generally referred to in books simply as V C Holland and I'm not aware of any that give his full name.

While Holland and Bagnold continued exploring the desert (film available to view via the British Film Institute), Bather was back in the UK working for the inter war Tank & Tracked Transport Experimental Establishment and then as Adjutant of the Mechanical Warfare Experimental Establishment.

Seconded to the Foreign Office and working with the Egyptian Frontiers Administration, Bather would be retained as Second in Command of the Camel Corps  and Light Car Patrol. He was in Siwa Oasis when the very first patrol of Bagnold's newly formed LRDG arrived in 1940. Bather and his men assisting the LRDG men complete their mission.

LONDON GAZETTE 21 January 1919

REGULAR FORCES.

The undermentioned Gentlemen Cadets, from the R. Mil. Coll., to be 2nd Lts. With effect from the 20th December, 1918: —

Hampshire Regiment:—

Arthur John Bather.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31140/supplement/1185

 

Sandhurst Collection Record

https://sandhurstcollection.co.uk/people/3901308-cadet-arthur-bather-register-entry

 

LONDON GAZETTE 25 June 1920

Tanks Corps

The undermentioned 2nd Lts. are apptd. to the Corps, 20 May 1920, with seniority from the dates specified against the names : —

L. D. Crocker (Devon. R.). 20 Dec. 1918.

A. J. Bather ,(Hamps. R.). 20 Dec. 1918.

A. W. Billing (Hamps. R.). 16 Jul. 1919.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31956/supplement/6984

 

Census 19 June 1921

Sollum Garrison, Egypt.

Lt Arthur John Bather

 

LONDON GAZETTE 14 September 1923

The undermentioned to be Lts., 15th Sept. 1923, with seniority as stated:—

Lt. A. J. Bather, from Hampshire R. 20th Dec. 1920.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32862/page/6199

 

LONDON GAZETTE 29 July 1927

ESTABLISHMENTS.

The undermentioned appt. is made:—

Tank & Tracked Transport Experimental Establishment.

Spec. Appt. (Cl. GG) —

Lt. A. J. Bather, R. Tank Corps. 20th July 1927

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33298/page/4910

 

LONDON GAZETTE 16 August 1927

ROYAL TANK CORPS.

Lt. A. J. Bather is secd, whilst holding an appt. at the Tank and Tracked Transport Exptl. Estabt. 20th July 1927.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33303/page/5333

 

LONDON GAZETTE 11 October 1929

ESTABLISHMENTS.

The undermentioned appts. are made. 1st Oct. 1929: —

Lt. A. J. Bather, R. Tank Corps, from Exptl. Offr. (C1. GG), to be Adjt., Mech. Warfare Exptl. Estabt.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33542/page/6477

 

LONDON GAZETTE 15 October 1929

ROYAL TANK CORPS.

Lt. A. J. Bather remains secd, whilst Adjt., Mech. Warfare Exptl. Estabt. 1st Oct. 1929. 

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33543/page/6549

 

LONDON GAZETTE 22 January 1932

ROYAL TANK CORPS.

The undermentioned Lts., to be Capts. 30th Nov. 1931, and remain secd. : —

A. J. Bather.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/33792/page/487

 

LONDON GAZETTE 03 April 1934

ESTABLISHMENTS

Capt. A. J. Bather, R. Tank Corps, as Adjt. Mech. Warfare Exptl. Estabt. 1st Apr.. 1934.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34038/page/2186

 

LONDON GAZETTE 08 May 1934

The undermentioned are restd. to the estabt. 1st Apr. 1934: —

ROYAL TANK CORPS.

Capt. A. J. Bather.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34048/page/2939

 

LONDON GAZETTE 20 November 1934

ROYAL TANK CORPS

Capt. A. J. Bather is secd, for serv. under the Foreign Office. 26th Oct. 1934.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34106/page/7440

 

Zerzura Club 1935 Meeting

https://www.fjexpeditions.com/frameset/zerzuraclub.htm

 

LONDON GAZETTE 14 May 1937

ROYAL TANK CORPS

Capt. A. J. Bather is restd. to the estabt. 1st May 1937.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34398/page/3185

 

LONDON GAZETTE 11 January 1938

The undermentioned are granted local rank whilst empld. with the British Mil. Mission, Egyptian Army, 1st Jan. 1938:—

Maj. L. H. C. Hatton, O.B.E., M.C., Res. of Off., I5th/i9th H., to be local Col.

(Leonard Horace Charles Hatton)

Capt. A. J. Bather, R. Tank Corps, to be local Maj.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34472/page/193

 

LONDON GAZETTE 05 August 1938

ROYAL TANK CORPS

Major?

A. J. Bather

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34538/supplement/5027

 

Who’s  Who Le Mondain Egypt 1941

BRITISH  MILITARY  MISSION  TO  THE  EGYPTIAN  ARMY

Frontier  Force

Col.  R.H.C.  Hatton,  O.B.E.,  M.C. ;

Lt.  Col.  A.J. Bather,  R.T.C.

 

BATHER,  Major  A.J.,  R.T.C.,  attache,  British

Military  Mission  to  the  Egyptian  Army,  7,  rue

Amir  Fouad,  Zamalek,  [II]  56765,  Caire.

https://archive.org/stream/TheEgyptianWhosWho1941/LeMondainEgyptien1941.PartI_djvu.txt

 

LONDON GAZETTE 228 March 1941

OBE

To be Additional Officers of the Military Division of the said Most Excellent Order: —

Major (local Lieutenant-Colonel) Arthur John Bather (17918), Royal Tank Regiment, Royal Armoured Corps.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35120/supplement/1866

 

National Army Museum Collection

1994-02-156

Five letters, two in Polish with translations, written to Major A J Bather, HQ British Advisory Staff, Polish Resettlement Corps, Feb to Mar 1948.

 

Marriage 14 Oct 1948 London, England

Chelsea

Honoria Mary Carter/Sharples

 

LONDON GAZETTE 15 April 1949

ROYAL ARMOURED CORPS.

RTR.

Maj. A. J. BATHER, O.B.E. (17918), retires on ret. pay, 16th Apr. 1949.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/38586/supplement/1887

 

LONDON GAZETTE 18 November 1949

R.T.R.

Maj. A. J. BATHER, O.B.E. (17918), having attained the age limit of liability to recall, ceases to belong to the Res. of Offrs., 24th Oct. 1949.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/38762/supplement/5463

War Diary - Map Coordinates

Looking at the pages of the war diary of 179 Tunnelling Company, a number of map coordinates are recorded e.g. on the following page an MG (machine gun) dugout is mentioned on Sheet 57D, J.15.d.2.1 :

The National Libray of Scotland has a collection of WW1 British maps online. The sheet linked to the war diary page can be seen at :

Sheet 57D

The J square on the map covers the land near the villages of Bus-les-Artois and Coigneux.

The J square has 36 smaller squares labelled 1 to 36. We need number 15 ie the J.15 part of the coordinate.

Square 15 has 4 sub squares. A is top left, B is top right, C is bottom left and D is bottom right. We need the bottom right, and this gives us J.15.d in the coordinates.

Running along the bottom line running left to right (West to East) are 10 marks (Eastings). Going 2 marks in from the left gives us J.15d.2 for the coordinate.

Running along the right hand vertical line from bottom to top (South the North) are 10 marks (Northings). Going 1 up gives us the final part of the coordinate J.15d.2.1. 

Putting a rough mark on the map gives us :

The coordinate can be put in a tool called tmapper in the format 57d.J.15.d.2.1 to see the map against the current location.

and this can be used to help look at maps such as Google Maps to get an idea of modern location and to zoom in/out etc.

If you grab the modern day co-ordinates from tmapper

and place them in Google Maps (50.11562 2.55659) from where you can Zoom In and Out, place a label etc